Interview by John
I got the chance to catch up with the boys from Lagwagon when they played DCs Black Cat on September 8th (of '97). To my eternal gratitude, bassist Jesse Buglione took time out to let me know what was up with the band.
John: So hows the tour going (going for a real grand slam first question)?
Jesse: Pretty well.
John: So when is it youre off to Europe?
Jesse: November 20th I believe. And Australia after that.
John: How long has the new album been out now?
Jesse: A little over two weeks I think.
John: Doing pretty well?
Jesse: I guess so. Most of the people going to our shows seem pretty familiar
with the material. Thats really my only gauge.
John: Who produced the album?
Jesse: It was our singer (Joey Cape), our guitarist Ken Stringfellow, and Ryan
Greene.
John: Is he related to Lorne Greene?
Jesse: I dont think he is, but hes a big Lorne Greene fan.
John: How much time are you spending on the road now?
Jesse: It depends. If theres a new record out, then 7 or 8 months. Occasionally
well have time off, like last year we took 6 months off, which was really
cool but then it wasnt really time off since we were taking four days
a week to do the record, plus guys going to school.
John: Going to school where?
Jesse: Community college in Santa Cruz.
John: What do you do the rest of your time at home? Is the band full-time pretty
much?
Jesse: Pretty much. Like well be on tour for three months and then well
take three weeks off where I just sit at home and read books and hang out with
my girlfriend and friends and try to leave the house as little as possible.
Then well go back out.
John: But its a case where the band is paying for itself.
Jesse: Yeah, it pays for the certain rare weeks where we have time at home.
John: On the road, whats the travel schedule like?
Jesse: Basically, it depends on the kind of drive, but normally, well
wake up, drive for about 5 hours, go to the show, hang out for 2 hours, do sound
check, hang out for 4 hours, play, hang out for 2 hours, get in the bus, drive
to another stop... All driving and sitting in the bus.
John: Do you share the bus with the rest of the bands?
Jesse: No. Actually, this tour all three bands have their own. We have like
a little mobile home thing with a trailer while the other bands have like airport
shuttle buses.
John: So what did you do all day in DC?
Jesse: Not too much. I walked down to Subway. I ordered a spicy Italian sandwich
which I didnt notice at the time was actually not on their menu, but they
made one anyway. Then I walked back, sat around for a while. Then we did soundcheck,
sat around a little longer, walked across the street to use the phone. Came
back. Walked across the street to use the phone again. Came back. Walked across
the street to get some water. Came back. Walked across the street to buy cigarettes.
Came back, and have just been sitting here.
John: So you didnt get to see too much of the city.
Jesse: Not too much. Its three blocks to Subway, so I saw three blocks.
But Ive been here with my parents, so Ive done all the sightseeing
things. Our first tour here we had a day off in DC and spent the whole day running
around.
John: Have you been to Europe before?
Jesse: Yeah.
John: How is the crowd reaction over there?
Jesse: Really good. For the most part its better than places in the States.
Its weird. There are certain bands that do well in England and those are
the same bands that do really well in the States. And then there are bands that
do real well all over Europe except for England and the States, which is kind
of the category we fit in.
John: Do you notice more older fans over there?
Jesse: Not really. Basically, the general look of the crowd is similar to people
here.
John: Do you notice a lot of difference between crowds on the West Coast and
the East Coast over here?
Jesse: Kind of. Especially when we first started touring. Five years ago there
was kind of a big difference, but now its not really as noticeable because
of the whole Fat records thing and getting a little bigger. But not as noticeable
now.
John: Is there a sort of rabid following around the San Francisco/ Santa Barbara
area?
Jesse: No, not really. Not particularly. Its getting better, but for a
long time it was really hard to play in San Francisco. So many shows and so
many bands, people would get jaded toward newer bands. They dont really
go out to see bands theyve never really heard of play until really familiar
with them. Lots of other things to do.
Rabble in the background: Ask him about Philly.
John: What about Philly?
Jesse: Hes my dad. Pretty cool. He hangs out. But he likes to be called
Phil now.
John: Not Philadelphia?
Jesse: Oh, Philadelphia. That was a very, very hot show. A little bit ridiculously
hot, but kind of fun.
John: Was that your last one?
Jesse: Yeah, last night. Afterwards, there wasnt really a dry spot on
any of my clothing.
John: So what did you think of the Warped Tour this summer?
Jesse: I liked watching Descendents and Bouncing Souls play.
John: Did you enjoy playing it?
Jesse: No. I thought it was kind of fun except for the half-hour we were playing.
I dont like playing big shows with big stages and big rock gap barriers.
It kind of takes the fun away. Especially with the half-hour sets; by the time
you get out there and get into it you have to be done.
John: Did you notice that Pennywise and the Descendents got the really big crowds
and for other bands it was like, Where is everybody?
Jesse: Yeah. The DC show was probably the hardest one to play of them all. It
was like 100 degrees that day.
John: Was RFK one of the bigger venues you played?
Jesse: I dont really know. Probably about average. There were a lot of
bigger seating venues like that.
John: Shifting gears, who does most of your songwriting?
Jesse: Joey.
John: Is there collaboration within the group?
Jesse: Well basically the way it works is that Joe will give the skeletons to
the band and if someone doesnt like a part well take a part and
if someone wants to add part well put it in. We take the rough form and
change it around and take it from there.
John: What was the case with Ken replacing Chris replacing Shawn? Ive
heard all about the Derrick situation but that one seems kind of recent.
Jesse: That one was kind of weird overall. Basically, we were practicing for
four months to do the record and Shawn didnt show up to any of the practices.
Then he quit right before we put the CD out and went to Europe to tour with
Buckwild. So at the time we were kind of struck for a guitar player. So then
my girlfriends sister lives with Ken Stringfellow and hed kind of
expressed interest in playing. We called him out, he flew in and recorded the
record and we did a tour of Europe with him. And it was working great in terms
of vocals and in terms of his songwriting- hes an amazing songwriter-
but it was basically that our music was a different style of guitar-playing
than hed done the last 15 years where all the Posies stuff was more four-chordy
and not straight-up punk. Live, some of the older songs werent working
out. He was on our whole European tour and then we flew to Chicago to start
the Warped Tour and we got one day off. So we flew in Chris Raft, the old guitar
player from RKL. He practiced with us for six hours and we started the Warped
Tour. A little nerve-wracking...
John: But it worked out?
Jesse: Oh yeah.
John: What kind of stuff are you listening to now? What do you and the band
bring with you on tour?
Jesse: On tour we basically listen to the heavy things. It gets pretty silly.
Heavy metal, classic rock, or whatever. I want to sing the praises of Manowar,
the best heavy metal band on Earth. At home, I mostly listen to Manowar in the
morning just to piss my roommates off. When they sleep in late Ill play
Manowar really loud. I figure its time for everybody to be getting up,
so Ill crank that up.
John: What album? Triumph of Steel?
Jesse: No, actually... Kings of Metal. Thats my favorite one.
Personally, I listen to a lot of Jawbreaker; theyve been my favorite band
for years and years. A bunch of different stuff.
John: Was that a lot of stuff you grew up listening to, like Manowar?
Jesse: No, I didnt get into Manowar until recently. About a year and a
half ago I saw their video and realized they were about the most heavy metal
that any heavy metal band could ever aspire to be. When I heard about their
professing heavy metal as their religion and their Death to False Metal,
I started really getting into them. Growing up I listened to a lot of what was
on the radio. A-Ha. That was one of the first tapes I ever bought. Actually,
the first tapes I bought were Journey and Styx but that was just because they
had cool record covers. But I got really into Van Halens 1984.
Then I got into A-Ha, that techno-pop bullshit. Then I got into speed metal
and then I heard Gorilla Biscuits, and they became my favorite band. I started
getting into Youth of Today, Judge, and older Revelation stuff. Then I got into
Operation Ivy and then I heard Jawbreaker, and thats definitely on the
top of my list.
John: So punk is something youve gotten into much more later on?
Jesse: Pretty much. I was starting to get into a lot of the old Mystic bands
like RKL, Dr. No, stuff like that. And in 6th grade, the Misfits were pretty
much it.
John: How old are you now?
Jesse: 22
John: And how old is everyone in the band?
Jesse: They probably average about 28.
John: So youre the young one.
Jesse: Yeah.
John: So how did you end up hooking up with the guys?
Jesse: I was in high school and a friend of mine came up to me at lunchtime
with a flyer he saw at a local college. It basically said this band, Section
8, which we used to be called, was looking for a bass player. At the time I
was playing in a death metal band because the only thing people in my school
played was death metal and I had to play with them if I wanted to be in a band,
so I wanted to try anything besides that. And at the bottom of the flyer, it
said, Bass player does not have to be very good. So I went there
and tried out.
John: What do you think about the punk scene in general now?
Jesse: I dont. I listen to what I want to listen to, and a lot of my favorite
bands are punk bands. But I dont consider Lagwagon to be a punk band at
all. I mean I do, but just as much as I consider us to be a heavy metal band
or a ska band or anything else. I try to avoid the whole label thing.
John: What do you think of Limp (touring with Lagwagon)? I havent heard
them before.
Jesse: I love them. Very poppy, but they have a punk rock feel, so you can say
theyre a punk band.
John: What was the deal with the Generations human rights compilation?
How did you get involved? Why did you contribute 27? What did you
think of it on whole?
Jesse: Basically, I thought the compilation was sort of... well, there were
some good points on it. I actually thought your review of it (NIMBY #6) was
pretty accurate and nailed it right on. We figured, sure, its an Amnesty
International thing well give them a song.
John: Do you read a lot of fanzines?
Jesse: Yeah, when I can.
John: What do you think of Derricks new band, The Ataris?
Jesse: They kind of remind me of good Face to Face. I havent gotten the
chance to form a definite opinion. Im also kind of prejudiced toward them
just because its Derricks band.
John: How would you describe the break-up when Derrick left the band? Was it
cordial?
Jesse: Yeah. The Ataris are coming on the last leg of this tour and we just
hung out with Derrick in New York. Its a little bit sad seeing him sometimes.
Basically, when hes sober I love hanging out with Derrick. Hes one
of the coolest people.
John: Any last words?
Jesse: Drop out of school, or die in prison, either way its my decision,
one more beer and heavy metal, life is fine. Manowar.